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		<title>By: IGotRedRinged</title>
		<link>http://yogizilla.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/xbox-live-horror-stories-for-2008/#comment-5095</link>
		<dc:creator>IGotRedRinged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 01:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got rrod so many times i actually resorted to playing carnival games on the wii</description>
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		<title>By: Snailbarf</title>
		<link>http://yogizilla.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/xbox-live-horror-stories-for-2008/#comment-5027</link>
		<dc:creator>Snailbarf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 08:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.  Going through my red ring of death experience right now.

The representatives I spoke to were obviously foreign but helpful to the best of their ability.  The first one was so bad I thought they hired a guy with a bad stutter, but I guess it was just him trying to read the verbal cues he saw on his screen.  I wanted to laugh more than be angry.  Sounded like his signal was cutting out.  We&#039;d.....fast......help.....could you....please?  Well I didn&#039;t get very far with me, and he interpreted my saying I have to go for a pen to write down a number as, &quot;This call is over.  It&#039;s ok to hang up,&quot;  I guess that&#039;s a horror story, but a highly entertaining one to go through.  I was like, &quot;who hires these people?&quot; lol.

The second guy sounded Puerto Rican or Phillipino and read from his script to perfection without feeling (arrogant nor sympathetic).  After talking to the automated computer system, I couldn&#039;t tell whether I had a real person yet or not, he was that good....

But it all got resolved and he gave me detailed instructions on what to do and not on sending my 360 in.  Leave a note on the 360 with the reference number and also write it on the box.  I have confidence that, if I word it humanely enough, I can request a Falcon motherboard on the note (otherwise you might get a Xenon back, and they&#039;re the ones that screw up in the first place) and it will get done.  It&#039;s all how you deal with people mostly.  Be patient and try to have a sense of humor first, and if that doesn&#039;t work, then get mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.  Going through my red ring of death experience right now.</p>
<p>The representatives I spoke to were obviously foreign but helpful to the best of their ability.  The first one was so bad I thought they hired a guy with a bad stutter, but I guess it was just him trying to read the verbal cues he saw on his screen.  I wanted to laugh more than be angry.  Sounded like his signal was cutting out.  We&#8217;d&#8230;..fast&#8230;&#8230;help&#8230;..could you&#8230;.please?  Well I didn&#8217;t get very far with me, and he interpreted my saying I have to go for a pen to write down a number as, &#8220;This call is over.  It&#8217;s ok to hang up,&#8221;  I guess that&#8217;s a horror story, but a highly entertaining one to go through.  I was like, &#8220;who hires these people?&#8221; lol.</p>
<p>The second guy sounded Puerto Rican or Phillipino and read from his script to perfection without feeling (arrogant nor sympathetic).  After talking to the automated computer system, I couldn&#8217;t tell whether I had a real person yet or not, he was that good&#8230;.</p>
<p>But it all got resolved and he gave me detailed instructions on what to do and not on sending my 360 in.  Leave a note on the 360 with the reference number and also write it on the box.  I have confidence that, if I word it humanely enough, I can request a Falcon motherboard on the note (otherwise you might get a Xenon back, and they&#8217;re the ones that screw up in the first place) and it will get done.  It&#8217;s all how you deal with people mostly.  Be patient and try to have a sense of humor first, and if that doesn&#8217;t work, then get mad.</p>
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		<title>By: Yogizilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yogizilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelievable!

Six XBox 360&#039;s and still having problems?  I hope they gave you some free stuff.  I know people with just two consecutive repairs alone are entitled to a free game.  It&#039;s the very least they can do.

The sad part is that all Microsoft needs to do is replace a few cheap plastic screws with some metal ones.  This will prevent the expanding and cracking of the screws, which ultimately leads to the PCB making contact with conductive components, shorting out the system.

I&#039;d still like to pursue this and put some pressure on Microsoft and other large corporations that practice poor business methods.  It&#039;s just tough to dedicate the time to such pursuits sometimes.  I&#039;m glad this article has gotten so much attention, though..  I wish more of our readers would post their thoughts and sound off - it&#039;s a good start! 8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable!</p>
<p>Six XBox 360&#8217;s and still having problems?  I hope they gave you some free stuff.  I know people with just two consecutive repairs alone are entitled to a free game.  It&#8217;s the very least they can do.</p>
<p>The sad part is that all Microsoft needs to do is replace a few cheap plastic screws with some metal ones.  This will prevent the expanding and cracking of the screws, which ultimately leads to the PCB making contact with conductive components, shorting out the system.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d still like to pursue this and put some pressure on Microsoft and other large corporations that practice poor business methods.  It&#8217;s just tough to dedicate the time to such pursuits sometimes.  I&#8217;m glad this article has gotten so much attention, though..  I wish more of our readers would post their thoughts and sound off &#8211; it&#8217;s a good start! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: KT</title>
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		<dc:creator>KT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yogazilla, we are on our six &quot;repaired&quot; box.  I spent over 2 hours on the phone with customer service &quot;agents&quot; than was transferred to a supervisor.  Who in the end said she must forward our problem to the &quot;live&quot; team.  Oh, this was after my call to customer service was dropped four times and two non-native english speakers.  My hubby wants to smash his 360, but this would void his warranty.  We are at our end with this company and their product.  I am all about helping you gain awareness about there business practices or lack ofl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yogazilla, we are on our six &#8220;repaired&#8221; box.  I spent over 2 hours on the phone with customer service &#8220;agents&#8221; than was transferred to a supervisor.  Who in the end said she must forward our problem to the &#8220;live&#8221; team.  Oh, this was after my call to customer service was dropped four times and two non-native english speakers.  My hubby wants to smash his 360, but this would void his warranty.  We are at our end with this company and their product.  I am all about helping you gain awareness about there business practices or lack ofl</p>
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		<title>By: Yogizilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yogizilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking to start an official campaign. Just so much on my plate right now..  Raising awareness is still a very big part of the process.  It may not create results per se but it shows people that they have rights and should stand up for them.

I believe it&#039;s all about holding large corporations accountable for their actions.  If things are well-documented and every effort is followed closely, we can truly track progress (or lack of it).  You&#039;re right: all these disconnected efforts can be a bit of a waste but I think M$ is finally getting hit hard with some class action suits and bad publicity. It&#039;s just the beginning!

Hopefully they&#039;ll learn how to value their customers.  Sony and other huge companies can stand to learn the same lesson as well....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking to start an official campaign. Just so much on my plate right now..  Raising awareness is still a very big part of the process.  It may not create results per se but it shows people that they have rights and should stand up for them.</p>
<p>I believe it&#8217;s all about holding large corporations accountable for their actions.  If things are well-documented and every effort is followed closely, we can truly track progress (or lack of it).  You&#8217;re right: all these disconnected efforts can be a bit of a waste but I think M$ is finally getting hit hard with some class action suits and bad publicity. It&#8217;s just the beginning!</p>
<p>Hopefully they&#8217;ll learn how to value their customers.  Sony and other huge companies can stand to learn the same lesson as well&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: calvin grandison</title>
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		<dc:creator>calvin grandison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is interested in forming a group to address the issues and possibly overthrow the MS mongrel - or at least bring about mass awareness, I&#039;d be interested in forming and launching some sort of battle against MS. We should take action instead of griping (or in addition to), so many blogs are all talk and no action. I wouldn&#039;t know where to start with MS... perhaps as an army our minds can collectively bring about a solution/action to all these issues. 

if anyone is interested, please email me
calvingrand@hotmail.com

From what I can gather this has gone on long enough. If we can locate the base we may be able to infiltrate.

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is interested in forming a group to address the issues and possibly overthrow the MS mongrel &#8211; or at least bring about mass awareness, I&#8217;d be interested in forming and launching some sort of battle against MS. We should take action instead of griping (or in addition to), so many blogs are all talk and no action. I wouldn&#8217;t know where to start with MS&#8230; perhaps as an army our minds can collectively bring about a solution/action to all these issues. </p>
<p>if anyone is interested, please email me<br />
<a href="mailto:calvingrand@hotmail.com">calvingrand@hotmail.com</a></p>
<p>From what I can gather this has gone on long enough. If we can locate the base we may be able to infiltrate.</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Yogizilla</title>
		<link>http://yogizilla.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/xbox-live-horror-stories-for-2008/#comment-4999</link>
		<dc:creator>Yogizilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nylathrotep, I feel your pain.  Unfortunately, Sony is not much better. It&#039;s a general theme that I see quite often with many of the large corporations.  As Ms. Riley said, it&#039;s a matter of support being reduced to a useless bureacracy at Microsoft and just about all large corporations that come to mind

In the greater picture, Microsoft definitely has terrible support across-the-board.  Their products don&#039;t even work well together, which is ironic.  Vista is terrible.  When it comes to Windows, I prefer 2000.  Less clutter and it does what I want it to do.

Sadly, Microsoft and their bretheren spend more time smearing competitors rather than fixing what they are doing wrong.  The Anti-Linux propaganda is certainly a reflection of the type of tactics large corporations like to use.  When something comes out that is actually functional, reliable, and affordable, the other Monopoly pieces try to kick it away and hide it.

The whole &lt;em&gt;overseas outsourcing&lt;/em&gt; thing is scary to me.  I hear countless people telling me they&#039;ve been bounced around, laughed at, hung up on..  That&#039;s simply unacceptable.  Sure, we all have had moments when we wanted to give a client a piece of our mind but there is a thing called professionalism that tells us to bite our tongues and do the right thing.  You lose that when you try to save some money and outsource to people that could care less about customer satisfaction and retention.  It&#039;s all a shame really and this is the growing trend...  &lt;strong&gt;VERY  scary stuff.&lt;/strong&gt;

BTW, Mary, just call me Yogi!  I gather we are kindred spirits.  I Dugg your &lt;em&gt;GNOME Do&lt;/em&gt; article - good stuff!! 8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nylathrotep, I feel your pain.  Unfortunately, Sony is not much better. It&#8217;s a general theme that I see quite often with many of the large corporations.  As Ms. Riley said, it&#8217;s a matter of support being reduced to a useless bureacracy at Microsoft and just about all large corporations that come to mind</p>
<p>In the greater picture, Microsoft definitely has terrible support across-the-board.  Their products don&#8217;t even work well together, which is ironic.  Vista is terrible.  When it comes to Windows, I prefer 2000.  Less clutter and it does what I want it to do.</p>
<p>Sadly, Microsoft and their bretheren spend more time smearing competitors rather than fixing what they are doing wrong.  The Anti-Linux propaganda is certainly a reflection of the type of tactics large corporations like to use.  When something comes out that is actually functional, reliable, and affordable, the other Monopoly pieces try to kick it away and hide it.</p>
<p>The whole <em>overseas outsourcing</em> thing is scary to me.  I hear countless people telling me they&#8217;ve been bounced around, laughed at, hung up on..  That&#8217;s simply unacceptable.  Sure, we all have had moments when we wanted to give a client a piece of our mind but there is a thing called professionalism that tells us to bite our tongues and do the right thing.  You lose that when you try to save some money and outsource to people that could care less about customer satisfaction and retention.  It&#8217;s all a shame really and this is the growing trend&#8230;  <strong>VERY  scary stuff.</strong></p>
<p>BTW, Mary, just call me Yogi!  I gather we are kindred spirits.  I Dugg your <em>GNOME Do</em> article &#8211; good stuff!! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I look at Microsoft, I see a general issue at play here. It&#039;s diseconomies of scale at its very finest: between the Vista delays, the lack of coherent support, and the archaic expectations of being able to monopolize OS market share with a subpar operating system, it&#039;s clear that they have gotten too large to be tolerated. The only remedial action they have is continuing to read the ToS because the support department as been relegated to a useless bureaucracy meant to pacify our consumerhood while they write anti-Linux propaganda and secretly search on Google instead of MSN.

Oh, and excellent work,  Yogizilla. Your analysis is top-notch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I look at Microsoft, I see a general issue at play here. It&#8217;s diseconomies of scale at its very finest: between the Vista delays, the lack of coherent support, and the archaic expectations of being able to monopolize OS market share with a subpar operating system, it&#8217;s clear that they have gotten too large to be tolerated. The only remedial action they have is continuing to read the ToS because the support department as been relegated to a useless bureaucracy meant to pacify our consumerhood while they write anti-Linux propaganda and secretly search on Google instead of MSN.</p>
<p>Oh, and excellent work,  Yogizilla. Your analysis is top-notch.</p>
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		<title>By: nylathrotep</title>
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		<dc:creator>nylathrotep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My horror story started right before Christmas. I had been playing COD 4 every day since it&#039;s release. Woke up on a Sat. morning and fired the box up and found it wouldnt let me log on to live. Gave it a day and called support when I was told that they were having server issues. Gave it another two days and called again - I was told that the first guy lied, and then &quot;Bob&quot;(who are they kidding?) takes me through a long, pointless trouble-shooting process that does nothing but try my patience. I gave him my error codes and asked what they meant, to which he replied &quot;Those are fine&quot;. I ask to be escalated after an hour of spinning my tires with Bob. I am on hold about 5 min. before they hang up.
Call back the next day and give them the codes and they tell me I have modified my 360, and it has been banned from Live. I kept my patience even when he repeatedly called me a liar, and asked to be escalated again. Got a supervisor who said the system is never wrong so I must have modded my box. I beg him to find a way to resolve this. I offer to send my box in at MY COST so that they can check it and reverse the ban. In a nutshell he said my only option is to buy a new 360.
Wash.. Rinse.. Repeat.. for the last month. I file a complaint with the BBB which was pointless - your complaint is sent to a dept. in the call center, where they have no authority to do anything regarding your complaint. POINTLESS.
I did not mod my 360, and wouldn&#039;t know how to anyway. My only recourse is to try and warn people about what happened to me, and spend my gaming dollars elsewhere. Hate to say it but Sony is looking pretty good now.
The sad thing is that US customers get screwed worse than those in Europe. A couple of people from England who had the same problem had the ban reversed in under a week because there are consumer protection laws in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My horror story started right before Christmas. I had been playing COD 4 every day since it&#8217;s release. Woke up on a Sat. morning and fired the box up and found it wouldnt let me log on to live. Gave it a day and called support when I was told that they were having server issues. Gave it another two days and called again &#8211; I was told that the first guy lied, and then &#8220;Bob&#8221;(who are they kidding?) takes me through a long, pointless trouble-shooting process that does nothing but try my patience. I gave him my error codes and asked what they meant, to which he replied &#8220;Those are fine&#8221;. I ask to be escalated after an hour of spinning my tires with Bob. I am on hold about 5 min. before they hang up.<br />
Call back the next day and give them the codes and they tell me I have modified my 360, and it has been banned from Live. I kept my patience even when he repeatedly called me a liar, and asked to be escalated again. Got a supervisor who said the system is never wrong so I must have modded my box. I beg him to find a way to resolve this. I offer to send my box in at MY COST so that they can check it and reverse the ban. In a nutshell he said my only option is to buy a new 360.<br />
Wash.. Rinse.. Repeat.. for the last month. I file a complaint with the BBB which was pointless &#8211; your complaint is sent to a dept. in the call center, where they have no authority to do anything regarding your complaint. POINTLESS.<br />
I did not mod my 360, and wouldn&#8217;t know how to anyway. My only recourse is to try and warn people about what happened to me, and spend my gaming dollars elsewhere. Hate to say it but Sony is looking pretty good now.<br />
The sad thing is that US customers get screwed worse than those in Europe. A couple of people from England who had the same problem had the ban reversed in under a week because there are consumer protection laws in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Yogizilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yogizilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a real shame and that&#039;s the very thing I am making everyone aware of.  Prevention is the key since problem resolution doesn&#039;t seem to be part of the XBox LIVE support mantra.  I know plenty of people, myself included, that have had problems with pre-paid cards and blind transfers.  The pre-paid cards are pretty much worthless, especially since you don&#039;t save anything by going pre-paid.

Oh, and reading the ToS and other scripts is pretty much all they CAN do, apparently.  They will regurgitate policy &#039;til they are blue in the face and you are bored to death.  I agree that the auto-renewal model they employ is silly.  A pre-paid card should supercede all that, like in any other situation.  Apparently, doing things in a backwards manner is how Microsoft likes to practice business. =oX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a real shame and that&#8217;s the very thing I am making everyone aware of.  Prevention is the key since problem resolution doesn&#8217;t seem to be part of the XBox LIVE support mantra.  I know plenty of people, myself included, that have had problems with pre-paid cards and blind transfers.  The pre-paid cards are pretty much worthless, especially since you don&#8217;t save anything by going pre-paid.</p>
<p>Oh, and reading the ToS and other scripts is pretty much all they CAN do, apparently.  They will regurgitate policy &#8217;til they are blue in the face and you are bored to death.  I agree that the auto-renewal model they employ is silly.  A pre-paid card should supercede all that, like in any other situation.  Apparently, doing things in a backwards manner is how Microsoft likes to practice business. =oX</p>
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